Brad Roberts: Part II
Ron Phillips testified in O.J.’s criminal trial that after he called Mark Fuhrman, he called “a Brad Roberts” as though he barely knew the man. Almost everywhere you look for “the” Brad Roberts you get only “a” Brad Roberts who isn’t necessarily Fuhrman’s old partner at West LA. His name alone hides him as well as anything done or left undone strategically by police, prosecutors and the defense team’s chief investigator Bill Pavelic to delete, obscure or misdirect his place in the Fuhrman chronicles. It’s like looking for information on a guy named Les (Leslie or Lester?) Jones who lived within commuting distance (whatever that is) of the West L.A. Police Station on June 12 and 13, 1994.
Within a population of millions you are bound to find a few people with names like Les Jones and Brad Roberts who have nothing to do with each other. You are also bound to find things they have in common that have nothing to do with each other – coincidences.
However, you get something with Brad Roberts on a Zaba/Intelius search that you don’t get with names you make up like “Les Jones” or the names of people you know like George Bush or your 9th grade English teacher. You get a Bradford Roberts on Lanewood Ave. near Dodger Stadium with enough features in his first name, his 8 1950 birthday, his address and the area around it – to draw the wrong conclusion – IF you ended the search there. By the same token, it is what you would have to think if you could not find another Brad Roberts within the applicable age range who was definitely Fuhrman’s partner.
That’s the rub.
A Lanewood Bradford Roberts search in a database used by our private investigator gives the same name at the same address with the same relatives in the same Massachusetts and New Jersey cities but a different birth year and a different nickname. This is not the Brad Roberts we were looking for, just a very conveniently located man with the same name.
The first thing that threw me with the Brad Roberts house on Lanewood (an apartment house) was the unshortened name Bradford. That is what I would have guessed “Brad” stood for based exclusively on the idea that his name was tied to aspects of the Bundy murders that came from movies. I could not recall even hearing the name Bradford apart from actor Bradford Dillman http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0076315/ until I saw The Dark Corner on TV while following Mark Fuhrman movie links to redheads. I watched the movie because the synopsis said it was about a man who is framed for murder and because its female lead was Lucille Ball, a famous redhead.
The Dark Corner (’47) gives you a "Mark" and a "Brad" in one actor and in his character. Mark Stevens is a New York City P.I. from San Francisco called Brad Galt. The name on his office window is Bradford. Brad is framed for murder by the killer knocking him out with a blow to the back of his head and putting the bloody murder weapon in his hand, a bronze fireplace poker. The scene showing Brad with the poker in his hand also shows a hat on the floor. http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/smokinggun2/Bricks.html (bottom photo).
Brad Roberts claimed to have seen the fingerprint in blood on the “brass” lock of Nicole’s back gate (bronze is an alloy made of iron and brass). The butt of the German Stiletto used to knock out Nicole was made of bronze. In another Dark Corner scene, Brad rushes out of a restaurant and leaves his hat behind. What Brad Galt says about the clues pointing to him is a variation of what Brad Roberts told O.J. about a blood trail going from Bundy to Rockingham – if the clues were phony, which they were.
I was following The House on Carroll Street movie links to streets in the L.A. area named Carroll to see if they existed and, if so, how they matched the idea that Brad Roberts kept a boat in Marina Del Ray. When I found those streets only in Marian Del Ray and in West Hollywood near Dodger Stadium (a House on Carroll Street key was the Brooklyn Dodgers) I could then shorten the long list of men in California named Brad Roberts to those who lived within single digit miles of the stadium and the police station
Only after pinning down the first name of West L.A. and West Valley Detective Brad Roberts could we be sure that “Brad” was not a nickname like RHD Det “Tom” Lange, whose real name is Fredric Douglas Lange. Bradford is not his middle name like actor/director Robert Redford whose real first name is Charles. The first name of the man we were looking for was Bradford but I found it with the wrong man before Rovaan found it with the right one. Rovaan also found this link to an airman named Brad Roberts http://www.rimbachvets.org/ (search “Roberts”) http://www.rimbachvets.org/ (USAFSS patch and roster) http://www.rimbachvets.org/ (scroll to bottom photo of Brad Roberts).
But is Airman Brad Roberts, Bradford Harold Roberts of Newbery Park, California whose birthday is 4, 18, 50 and who worked as an LAPD Detective with Mark Fuhrman in 1994 and part of 1995? Is he Bradford Dutton Roberts on Lanewood Ave. in Los Angeles who was born on 8, 1950 (the only date of birth Intelius gives) with previous address in Massachusetts and New Jersey and no recorded Intelius APO address?
Searching on a January 2007 military database, Lollie found this for Brad Roberts age 57 (which means he was born in 1950) in California:
Our private investigator confirmed that these addresses belonged to former LAPD Det. Bradford Harold Roberts, born on April (4) 18 1950. That could not be the birthday of Bradford Dutton Roberts on Lanewood. But with only the 8 50 provided by Intelius for the Brad Roberts on Lanewood a 4 (4850 – 84 in military and European dates) was needed to link him to Airman Roberts and Det. Roberts. The airman and the detective had the 4, the 8 and the 50 but the detective also had a 1 in front of the 8, making 18 instead of 8. What are the odds that four of the fived digits needed to match the Lanewood Roberts to the Rimbach Roberts would match? Only by finding Det. Brad Roberts’ birthday could the Roberts in Newbury Park and the one on Lanewood be separated.
APO (Army or Air Force Post Office) is an address for soldiers and airmen stationed overseas. FPO (Fleet Post Office) is an address for sailors and marines stationed overseas. A New York APO or FPO address means that the service member was stationed in Europe. If Airmen Brad Roberts and Det. Brad Roberts were the same person, both of them would have an APO, New York address. The mere fact that Bradford Harold Roberts had an APO address means that he was a U.S. soldier or airman stationed in Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Air_Force_Security_Service The very existence of the USAFSS was top secret until 2001. Therefore the Rimbach/ Mt. Ericson website could not have gone online until then. And that creates a big obstacle to figuring out who “the real” Brad Roberts is. It means: 1) Det. Roberts could have gone into the Rimbach site at any time after it went online and entered an AOL e-mail address specifically to confuse the issue because he couldn’t do anything about the picture and the man who remembered him. 2) Airman Roberts is a different man. It seemed that they had to be different men when our P.I. found an August birthday for the Brad Roberts on Lanewood. Can this level of identity confusion occur by accident?
The problem with alternative number 2 is that the BCR4850 AOL address that “Brad Roberts” gives on the website is twofold. It has enough in it to evoke the possible birthday of the Lanewood Brad Roberts (B-R 8 50 or the Newbury Park Brad Roberts (B-R-4-8-50) and enough (the C) to match neither of them. But if the C stands for Christa as it seems to in the caption below the Rimbach photo appears to indicate, it doesn’t have to match either of them.
Normally you would not attach significance to the fact that Brad Roberts is not in the same picture with the woman called Christa Jur or that the head of the man laying his head against hers is cropped out. However, you will spend days going in circles trying to match anyone in California named Brad Roberts to a wife or former wife named Christa. You get those matches but none of those Brad Roberts are Bradford Harold or Bradford Dutton. Moreover, the photo I.D. on the woman’s picture says “Krista.” So you have to check that spelling of the name, too, even though it does not match the C in BCR, as well as every variation of Christa or names close to it that you can think of.
In short, Christa leads away from Bradford Harold Roberts in Newbury Park and Bradford Dutton Roberts in Lanewood.
Another interesting thing about Airman Brad Roberts being “partnered” in the “future” with someone named “Chris” is that the man Fuhrman got to play him (Fuhrman) in Murder in Greenwich was Christopher Meloni. Fuhrman’s alter ego in Murder in Greenwich is a woman called Hildy Southerlyn. He also turns a woman in the real Greenwich case into a man he invented, so the gender switch is no problem. Producer Fuhrman got Robert Forster to play Steve Carroll. The man cast as Stephen Weeks was listed in the moves credits as Andrew Mitchell. The real name of this New Zealand actor is Andrew Robertt who also goes by the stage name Andrew Binns.
The Lanewood Roberts is all I had before Rovaan found a Hatteras yacht in the Oxnard Marina Yacht Club named Hatt Squad registered to Bradford Harold Roberts of Newbury Park who was born on April 18, 1950. The name of the boat gives you the notorious LAPD Hat Squad of the 1950s and early ‘60s. They were official detectives and unofficial thugs like the “team” of LAPD officers Fuhrman told North Carolina based screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny he worked with who “could murder people and get away with it.” The spelling also gives Roberts “plausible deniability” because Hatt is the first four letters of Hatteras, the boat’s manufacturer. http://www.hatterasyachts.com/about.cfm http://smartfellowspress.com/house_on_carroll_street_bar_scen.htm (search “Laura”)
Taking Hatt out of Hatteras, which leaves eras, is a word game. Word games have a lot to do with the FBI “smart partner” in The House on Carroll Street and the man who planted the bloody Aris glove on Rockingham. In Greek Mythology, Eras was the sister of Ares, the bloody god of war. In this word game, all you need is the “I” in FBI to turn Ares into Aris and we now know what the “I” in FBI means to Bradford Harold Roberts.
The critical information lacking in Rovaan’s discovery was a positive connection between Bradford Harold Roberts and Fuhrman’s LAPD partner because we couldn’t find the birthday of West LA and West Valley Detective Roberts. We had to use our private investigator to get that information. The full name and the date of birth matched. That’s the only way we know the 26-year-old Bradford Harold Roberts in the 1977 Valley News article about the illegal drag racing officers getting jail time for “lying to a peace officer” is the same man.
Roberts’ age in the news story ties him to Fuhrman’s renaming of a falsely accused suspect named Edward “Rob” (as in Robert) Mathers in his Murder in Greenwich movie, and calls him a “22-year-old” at the time of Martha’s murder. The real person depicted in the movie as a young man was 26. http://smartfellowspress.com/clair_and_rob.htm
Hatt Squad is no better than Prowler if the blue knit cap on Bundy was planted by someone on a team of detectives working outside the law. A remarkably effective disguise, as big city police detectives know (I learned this from a Detroit Police homicide detective), is simply a distinctive hat. You would think that it would draw attention to the man wearing it but it doesn’t. All it does is on short exposure to witnesses is draw attention to itself. As a consequence, the witness recalls the hat and not the man wearing it. This would have been important if the Bundy watcher had to walk back and forth between his vehicle parked on the Bundy-Gorham curve and the Bundy front gate where Fuhrman later placed a Mexican worry doll in his “Mothers” poem photo.
Hatt Squad also gives new meaning to Ron Phillips’ choice of words in describing his duties as a supervisor of different kinds of West L.A. detective to account for why he called Tom Nolan on the case to team up with Roberts. Phillips said, “I wore 3 hats.” Only by tracing Nolan from the police station on Butler to the apartment complex on Montana where he disappears no later than 5:15 a.m. do you find a minimum of an hour and 15 minute gap in the times Roberts’ whereabouts was accounted for. This spans the time period in which Fuhrman learned about the thumps from Kato and reported to Phillips (not Vannatter) that he found the bloody glove. Roberts showed up alone shortly thereafter and proceeded to find more incriminating evidence against O.J.
Kato told Fuhrman that the impact of the thumps made him think that they were caused by an earthquake. Bradford Harold Roberts’ birthday, April 18 is the month and day of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. And the 1 17 date of the Northridge, California earthquake gives you a Swiss Army watch code (1:05 – the time Ron Phillips called Mark Fuhrman) for a map that couldn’t be more significant to the Bundy murders and the Blackenstein movie key to the code http://smartfellowspress.com/Northridge_Map.htm http://smartfellowspress.com/blackenstein.htm (Background Notes)
Fuhrman’s fifth crime scene note, the Rosetta Stone, for the Scrabble game code taken from the “To Serve Man” episode of The Twilight Zone, passed under only three sets of eyes before it got to Phil Vannatter, Mark Fuhrman’s, Brad Roberts’ and Ron Phillips’. You will see this code and minor variations of it wherever you try to find Det. Roberts in the real world and in the real names of the actors who play Fuhrman’s “partners” in the November 2002 Murder in Greenwich movie that Fuhrman produced. You will see a game of numbers names, words and phrases played with real people places and things in Fuhrman’s environment woven around people places and things in the movies.
Whenever anything that could have been manipulated by Fuhrman, Roberts or Phillips after Smartfellows found and published in 2006 the Roberts-Phillips connection to the failure to investigate the suspicious death of Bill Wasz, look for a trap.
Brad Roberts on Lanewood gives you a misleading Smoking Gun 3 link to the 1951 Brooklyn Dodgers and Detroit Tigers in the House on Carroll Street. A map of the area encompassing Dodger stadium and the Lanewood address for Bradford Dutton Roberts shows a street called Carroll Ave., which is a short drive to the West LA Police Station and to Marina Del Ray where there are other streets named Carroll.
Following the logic of The House on Carroll Street movie, solely because of Ron Goldman’s Baja Cantina story, which follows Fuhrman’s pattern excessive borrowing from movies to tell his stories, you get Roberts with a boat in Marina Del Ray.
The Lanewood Roberts gets more intriguing with every discovery that stems from an article written by Fuhrman’s unofficial publicist Lisa Nichols and published in October, 1997 on her website as well as Denise Brown’s and Court TV. In it she discloses that Brad Roberts was running a deep sea fishing charter service in his retirement. To run such a business he had to have a yacht. If he had a yacht, it had to be kept in a marina on the Pacific coast within a short driving distance from his home. Marina Del Rey fit that requirement for Bradford D. Roberts on Lanewood.
Rovaan then found this Marina Del Ray Yacht Club web page posted in December 2007 http://www.pmyc.org/Logs/dec07log.pdf with this passage about a cruse to a Mexican island just off the Baja Peninsula: “Also many of our members fish in this worthwhile event. Leon Milhon, Scott Roseland, Brad Roberts on Prowler…” and this picture:
Prowler fits snugly into the portion of the Iago hypotheses that says Ron Shipp made the hard thumps on the south path wall of Rockingham that Kato thought was either an earthquake or a prowler and Bran Roberts planted the glove on the ground below.
There is such a thing as getting too much incriminating “evidence” too easily based on too little conclusive information. Brad Roberts on ‘Prowler” in Marina Del Rey is a prime example. When you’re working largely on speculation within the framework of a theory, a long shot hit anywhere on target is significant. A dead center bull’s eye is highly suspicious, especially when the people involved set up the target and lead you to the hit.
No matter how hard you look you can’t tell if “the” Brad Roberts is on that boat. When you zoom in on the men you can see that the one in the center with the black shirt and the tan cap could be Fuhrman’s LAPD Homicide partner Brad Roberts but you can’t see his face clearly enough to make a positive identification. Enlarging the faces only makes them fuzzier – like the fuzzy photo of the Swiss Army knife box Roberts said he saw on O.J.’s bathtub rim. Bathtub happens to be a “point break” on the Magdalena Island off the coast of the Baja Peninsula in Mexico. The Marina Del Ray Yacht Club story that goes with the photo is about a Prowler cruse to Magdalena Island.
Even if the man in the black shirt is retired LAPD Det. Brad Roberts, a further reading of the article shows you that Prowler is not his boat and doesn’t say if he was on the cruise.
Note the 8 26 ’07 date on the Prowler photo. That’s one month and seven days before he told his story to Lisa Nichols, which she posted on the internet a few days later. That’s enough time for him to prepare what to say. But why would he tell her anything about running a deep sea fishing charter services at that time or any time? Although the photo of “a Brad Roberts” aboard Prowler was taken in August, 2007, it did not appear on the Internet until that December. So, although Solitairea1 found Nichols’ article in January 2008, anyone could have found it two months earlier. And that raises the question of way that sequence of discoveries began with the Prowler photo taken in August 2007.
This is what we were discussing on the August Iago Discussion Board in the weeks leading up to August 26, 2007 http://smartfellowspress.com/0807_toc.htm . Note in particular the threads involving Fuhrman and Roberts in San Francisco and the Zodiac connection to the Presidio.
Two common assumptions about Iago are that facts are cherry-picked to conform to its requirements and inordinate weight is given to coincidence. This is how every incriminating link between Iago’s theoretical conspirators and real people who match those parameters gets dismissed. It’s a big reason that the few facts we had on Roberts that matched the qualifications for the Bundy lookout and the man who planted the Rockingham glove were dismissed. We just didn’t know enough about Roberts’ history, his bell-ringers and his veracity to match the evidence.
None of that will fly with what we learned this year about Brad Roberts.
Coincidence explains a lot, as everyone knows by way of common experience. It is therefore the first explanation you look for when you see conjunctions with people, places and events that defy all odds of random co-occurrence. For instance, the name of a man you hadn’t thought about in years suddenly pops into your head. A moment later you get a call from a friend asking about that very man. Did you have a psychic experience? Perhaps you did. Perhaps it was just a coincidence. It could have been something else.
The long forgotten man might have popped into your head when you were watching the evening news because something in the news story reminded you of an unusual experience you had with him. If the person who called you shared that experience, watched the same news story you did, and both of you watched the same news channel habitually, the timing of the call is attributable to neither ESP nor coincidence. It’s a natural result of you and your friend watching the same news story. If your friend hadn’t called you, you might have called him.
These are the pitfalls and the road signs on the twisted pat to learning what we need to know about the right Brad Roberts to see where he fits into what we know about Mark Fuhrman, the Bundy killer’s theoretical lookout and Fuhrman’s fifth Bundy note.
When I was composing each Smoking Gun book I found Mark Fuhrman links to more movies and TV shows than I could include in any chapter. This was the inevitable result of organizing the chapters according to salient themes in the O.J. murder case in conjunction with Fuhrman’s words and deeds that intersected in movies and TV shows.
Fuhrman put overlays of multiple cinematic sources on top of each other in his O.J. stories and his contrived photo ops on Bundy and Rockingham that appeared in his Murder in Brentwood book. This trick made much of what he did difficult to follow because each source bled into other sources with names and themes that often went in multiple directions. At some point in each chapter I was therefore forced to choose what to omit when the chapter got to complex or too long. Sometimes a key item in a movie scene had to be jettisoned for these reasons. Sometimes it was a whole scene or a whole movie depending on the focus of the chapter. Putting them somewhere else – where they belonged in Fuhrman’s stories – fragmented them throughout the books
The difficulty in selecting what to include and what to omit was complicated by the fact that I didn’t know what many of these things meant. I knew only the prominence, the frequency or the context in which they appeared in relation to something of documented special significance to Mark Fuhrman. That’s how Presidents, anniversary dates, birds, doubles, diamonds, hearts (and valentines), Oz, pizzas, Nazi symbolism and anyone with red hair, rose to the surface. But attached to them I also saw trains, water, fire, men with white hair, word games and baseball, not just baseball bats.
The Fuhrman at the Movies chapter of Iago in Brentwood was different. All I did there was follow up on the numerous allusions and direct references he made on the witness stand and in Murder in Brentwood to movie and TV characters and themes as well as the language he used on the tapes he made with Laura Hart McKinny.
When the existence of If I Did It was confirmed, Fuhrman denounced the passage about someone called “Charlie,” being on the murder scene with the killer. If you saw him on the Greta Van Susteren show with Michael Baden you might have noticed that he reacted adamantly not only to the concept of someone other than O.J. being in the Bundy killing cage on the night of June 12, 1994 but to the name, “Charlie.”
Baden argued that there was a second set of shoeprints on Bundy of someone with a distinctly smaller shoe than the killer’s. Although the imprints were common, the FBI expert claimed that they did not exist in the FBI database. When Baden tried to say why the FBI findings were wrong, Fuhrman cut him off, repeated that those shoeprints did not exist and got in the last words of the final segment of the show, “There was no Charlie.”
Looking to the movies for an explanation, you will see Brad Dourif as serial killer Charles Lee Ray in Child’s Play (’88) who transfers his life force into the body of a doll when he is morally wounded by a Chicago Detective played by Chris Sarandon. The only clue to the death of a woman babysitting the child who has the doll is a distinctly smaller shoeprint than the child could have made – the shoeprint of the doll, Chucky.
In Three Days of the Condor Robert Redford is a CIA analyst codenamed Condor, who reads books and comic strips for covert operations and ideas that could work in reality. The scrabble game code that Fuhrman employed in his 5th Bundy note gives you Bradford Harold Roberts in Redford’s full name:
Charles Robert Redford: b in Robert ra in Charles, and dford in Redford = bradford Charles Robert Redford: har in Charles, o in Robert, l in Charles and d in Redford = harold Charles Robert Redford, using all letters in Robert and s in Charles = Roberts Charles Robert Redford is Death personified in the “Nothing in the Dark” episode of The Twilight Zone who tells and old woman in terror of him that his name is Harold Belden Charles Robert Redford + Harold Belden = Bradford Harold Roberts. http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/Track-1html.htm Death is also a good guy and a trickster in The Twilight Zone episode "Nothing in the Dark" posing as a wounded policeman to get an old woman to open her door for I wrote that Smoking Gun chapter in 1998 with no clue of what Harold, a bus, a lying cop or a policeman’s “hatt” meant to Roberts and only conjecture about the glove. I didn’t know that his first name was Bradford, that Redford’s first name was Charles or that a Scrabble game was being played in coded messages between Phillips, Fuhrman, and Roberts. I made nothing of the “Robert” link to “Harold Belden’s” hat and glove because it looked like a “stretch.” The point of finding out everything we could about Roberts was to see how much conjecture about him correlated with facts we had yet to learn.
Knowing how many of Roberts’ bell-ringers are the same as Fuhrman’s puts everything uncovered before then about Fuhrman and his various partners in a new light.
On pages 121 and 122 of Murder in Brentwood (’97), Fuhrman gives his version of the incident where he shot ATM Robber Joseph Britton five times and was later accused of standing over him shouting, “Nigger, why won’t you die!” Fuhrman does not repeat that phrase. Instead, he sums it up with the word “epithet” in suggesting that Britton’s lawyer made it up. He writes, “Even then Britton said that an officer with red hair and a mustache (I have neither) called him an epithet.”
The problem with Fuhrman’s claim is that he made a point of saying he was a big fan of author Joseph Wambaugh in the context of using the word “nigger” in a screenplay for dramatic realism – as he claimed he did on the Laura Hart McKinny tapes. Wambaugh wrote The Onion Field book, as well as the screenplay for the 1980 movie with James Woods as real life career criminal Gregory Powell http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0079668/ and Ronny Cox as the detective who brings him to justice.
Fuhrman’s story combines what Woods does as Powell to confuse witness identification of him in an armed robbery and what Cox does as a crazy psychiatrist in Scissors (’91) to drive his patient (Sharon Stone) into a psychotic break.
Before Powell goes into a liquor store to rob it at gunpoint, he puts a large fake mole next to his nose. He explains to his hapless black accomplice Jimmy (O.J. and Fuhrman’s middle name) that all the witness will remember clearly looking down the barrel of a gun is his most distinguishing feature – the fake mole.
In Scissors, Ronny Cox’s character Dr. Stephan Carter knows that his patient Angie was raped as a child by her stepfather, a man named Billy. She cannot recall the rape and has no conscious memory of who Billy is although she paints his picture – a man with a full red beard and mustache – and reacts to the name Billy with extreme agitation. To hide his knowledge of who Billy is, he suggests to her that the name could be Billie, a woman. Meanwhile he dons a false red beard and mustache, terrorizes Angie and lures her to an apartment where she cannot escape while he contuse to torment her with the false red beard and mustache to make her think she killed a man that he killed. http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/Smoke_3/smoke_3_chap_7.htm
Wigs, false facial hair and redheads of both sexes in Fuhrman-related movies and TV shows, like men only with white hair, appear in disproportionately high ratios to their numbers in the general population You can’t always tell in the real world with wigs and false whiskers, but in Fuhrman-related movies you can always tell because they are on mannequins or they come off.
Including Roberts in “Fuhrman movies” yields as many wig, President, resurrection, word game, ghost, one-eye, time travel, train, Nazi, pizza, birthday, frame-up, killer cop, baseball, San Francisco, Pittsburg, Detroit and Chicago links to him as to Fuhrman. With one actor, you get red hair and white hair. Donald Sutherland was a redhead before his hair turned white. Notice how often Sutherland shows up is just the four-city movie links.
San Francisco movie settings, locations or key references – The Dark Corner, Vertigo, The Birds, Bullitt, Dirty Harry, Time After Time, Foul Play, The Presidio, Disaster in Time, Basic Instinct, Invasion of the Body Snatchers with Donald Sutherland, The Adventures of Brisco County Jr., The Towering Inferno, and MASH with Donald Sutherland, Elliot Gould, Tom Skerritt and Rene Auberjonois (Eyes of Laura Mars) http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0066026/
Pittsburg movie setting, locations or key references – Night of the Living Dead, North by Northwest, Diary of a Hitman, Innocent Blood, The Killers and Striking Distance with Bruce Willis as a Pittsburg Police Department river patrol officer http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0108238/
Detroit movie setting, locations or key references – The Rosary Murder with Donald Sutherland, Robocop, Action Jackson, Bird on a Wire, Collision Course, Presumed Innocent, The Naked Gun series, Beverly Hills Cop, Split Image, The House on Carroll Street, Servants of Twilight, Hoffa, To Protect and Serve, Doctor Detroit and The Legend of the Lone Ranger with John Hart (Blackenstein), Christopher Lloyd (Back to the Future) as Butch Cavendish, and Jason Robards Jr. (St. Valentine's Massacre) as President Ulysses Simpson Grant http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0082648/
Chicago movie setting, locations or key references – The Narrow Margin, The St. Valentine’s Day Massacre, The Untouchables, Child’s Play, Planes, Trains and Automobiles, The Naked Gun 2 ½, Eight Men Out, Field of Dreams, The Deliberate Stranger, The Fugitive, Native Son, Silver Streak Doctor Detroit, The Lady in Red (with Christopher Lloyd and Robert Forster (Steve Carroll in Murder in Greenwich) http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0079429/ and The Package with Gene Hackman (The French Connection), Tommy Lee Jones (Eyes of Laura Mars), John Heard (Cat People) and Dennis Franz http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0001240/bio
Chris Sarandon alone gives you all of these Fuhrman-Roberts movie connections:
In The Resurrected (1992) .... Chris Sarandon is Charles Dexter Ward / Joseph Curwen In Lincoln and the War Within (1992) (TV) .... Chris Sarandon is Abraham Lincoln In Collision Course (1989) .... Chris Sarandon is Philip Madras In Child's Play (1988) .... Chris Sarandon is Mike Norris In Frankenstein (1987) (TV) .... Chris Sarandon is Frankenstein
Chris Sarandon is on a relatively short but significant list of actors who played Abraham Lincoln. He is the only actor to play H. P. Lovecraft’s character Charles Dexter Ward.
http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/Mirror-c03.html http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/Type.htm http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/A_Few_Good.htm#few http://smartfellowspress.com/smokinggun/Track-1html.htm
Split Image and The Rosary Murders, movies adapted from Detroit area resident Elmore Leonard’s books, are set in or around Detroit because he knows the city and its suburbs well. http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0001465/bio . “In nearly every film made from his books, there is a scene where at least one person gets locked in the trunk of a car.”
This is of special interest because of Fuhrman and Roberts’ involvement in the murder investigation of Robert C Hurd, whose body was found in the trunk of a car in West Los Angeles. The significance of the Hurd connection to Mark Fuhrman was that his name is linked to Blackenstein from which the Swiss Army watch code was derived, which, in turn gives us the Northridge earthquake map.
One reason Detroit shows up as often as it does in Fuhrman-related movies is because of the actors who came from the area, their roles and the subject matter of those movies that are of personal interest to him – including the Detroit-Chicago history connections. Another reason could be because the spelling provides a uniquely rich supply of letters for playing the movie Scrabble game when it makes sense to use it and a key name comes up short without it.
Playing the Scrabble game with Nicholas Campbell, his Split Images Detective character Bryan Hurd and the Detroit setting, you’ll find that Nicholas Campbell, Bryan Hurd Detroit = Det Brad roberts Hun local map y iN Chi. Maybe it means nothing. All I know is that a good place to start looking is for a Y (YMCA) on a map of Chicago … (30 minutes later) Found it.
And yes, the street on the Chi (Chicago) map northwest of the Y on 2424 W Touhy Ave. is N Campbell. Whatever it means it certainly would have been a great Brad Roberts or Hun (Fuhrman) test to see if his fellow detective (Det) could find it on the right local map. If it’s a coincidence, so is this Detroit connection to the five day riot in 1967 that produced horrific death and destruction. It ended only with the intervention of U.S. Army units from the 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions who were sent into the city by President Johnson. It started when Detroit police raided an illegal after hours drinking establishment at the corner of 12th and Clairmont. http://atdetroit.net/forum/messages/6790/85676.html It takes very little imagination to get 12 out of West Touhy Ave. –Jasper
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