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Odyssey of the Gun Gun to the Head Key to the room
Walter "Goldie" Alexander and Michael "Spencer" McClinton told different gun stories on the witness stand in the Palace Station robbery/kidnapping preliminary hearing. Both of them claimed that O.J. asked them to brings guns. But, according to neither initial story did he ask both of them at the same time.
Alexander said that O.J. "leaned over" to him and asked him if he thought he could "get some heat." The only thing Alexander said about McClinton and guns was that O.J. asked to see his permit to carry a concealed weapon.
When it was McClinton's turn to testify he said that O.J. asked to see his CCW permit because Alexander told him that he had one. He then said that O.J. asked him (McClinton) to provide security and to bring his gun in that capacity. No matter how Prosecutor David Roger phrased his next series of questions to prompt McClinton to say O.J. asked him and Alexander to bring guns, McClinton returned to saying, "O.J. asked me to bring my gun."
Roger: When you went back to your house, ah, it was yourself and Mr. Alexander, what did you do?
McClinton: We took showers and I changed clothes. And at that time after I put my suit on, I armed myself with...ah... with my gun. And, ah, Walter came into my room and said, "I need a gun, too."
Roger: Did you give him a gun?
McClinton: I did give him a gun. I gave him a Beretta .22 with a holster.
Roger: Had you previously told...said that Walter took the gun without your knowledge?
McClinton: I did say that.
Roger: But he actually asked you for a gun?
McClinton: Yeah.
The men who walked into Tom Riccio's Palace Station Hotel room with O.J. Simpson
THOMAS RICCIO MICHAEL McCLINTON WALTER ALEXANDER CLARENCE STEWART CHARLES EHRLICH CHARLES CASHMORE
Here is a pivotal swatch of history that is not likely to appear anywhere else simply because of the unique mission of the Iago Discussion Board, which is to find and expose the truth.
Th So, already there were images in the public mind that linked O.J. to a gun in the Palace Station incident just as there were images in the public mind from his role in The Naked Gun movies that linked him to a blue knit cap on the Bundy murder scene and, of course, guns. At the same time, each media account of subsequent revelations in the case drew increasingly improbable parallels and coincidental similarities to O.J. Simpson the murderer. After his acquittal on the murder charge, media recaps of the case gradually moved public opinion of his guilt from 70 to 80 percent. In some poles taken after the civil trial jury awarded the Goldman family 33 million dollars of O.J.'s money for "wrongful death," the percentage of white Americans who believed that O.J. murdered Ron Goldman grew to over 90%.
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You can ignore what you think? Really? O.J. The questions we had were whether or not Bruce Fromong and Alfred Beardsley told the truth about anyone with O.J. displaying a gun in Thomas Riccio’s Palace Station Hotel room and what evidence the police had to support their claim. Rovaan noted that the recording was not complete, so it was possible that the incriminating part of the recording was in possession of the police. However, after playing the TMZ recording repeatedly, it was apparent that this was a part of the recoding, which was not edited, and a gun reference was on that part of the recording. It was only the kidnapping charge that made the first part of the tape relevant. The kidnapping charge, in retrospect, was clearly wrapped around O.J.’s words (to Charles Ehrlich and Charles Cashmore near the front door), “Don’t let nobody out of here.” McClinton's gun story and his gun display draw a perfect circle of links around O.J. from Mark Fuhrman to Regnery Publishing, from Regnery to Mike Gilbert, from Gilbert to Bruce Fromong, from Fromong to Alfred Beardsley, from Beardsley to the Goldmans, from the Goldman's to Ron Phillips and from Phillips back to Fuhrman. –Jasper
September Discussion
The Noise FactorFrom: rovaan CommentsAnyone listening to OJ on the tape made by Riccio, must be asking themselves 'How could it have been OJ that killed Nicole and Ron- he could never have done it quietly?' That is if they gave it any real thought. An enraged OJ going over to confront Nicole would not have been a quiet killer. Heidstra would have heard more than a few angry words. Follow-up posts Det. Caldwell Transcript (Caution: some name attributions and key passages are missing or inaccurate) September Discussion
Re: Riccio had a tape recorder and even taped the others talking ...From: rovaan CommentsIf the confrontation lasted six minutes, that tape is nowhere near six minutes long. So what happened to the rest of the tape?
Re: Riccio had a tape recorder and even taped the others talk...From: Jasper CommentsRovaan, … I played the tape several times and heard what I think the police used to arrest O.J. It’s a distinct reference to a gun as well as a suggestion of violence. But there is a catch – a BIG one. O.J. was clearly distracted when the threat was made, there is no clear indication of who it was directed at, and nobody on the tape – including Beardsley, pays any attention to it. ……….This is what it sounded like to me: … Lull in the shouting match. Indistinct murmuring. … (sounds like a doorknob turning and a door closing) Unidentified man speaking meekly but at a louder sound level than O.J. (sounds like he’s closest to the tape recorder: “That’s me. That’s me, O.J.” …O.J.: "How do I know that’s you, you motherfucker. You tried to take my fuckin’ shirt –" …Sound like a different man heard earlier on the tape overlapping O.J.’s last word and speaking aggressively but farther away from the recorder than O.J.: "Why don’t you (?) crack me (?) on the fucking head with this goddamn gun. See how you like that shit, mother!" (no indication of who he’s talking to or what he’s talking about). …Beardsley (almost overlapping the “gun man’s” last word. Not sure of Beardsley first two or three words): "If it could (?), Montana is online." … Another unidentified man heard earlier on the tape, speaking in a normal tone: "Get that on some cover …" (Sounds like someone turning a doorknob) … Beardsley: "Are you and I cool, or what?" …O.J: "I thought we were cool, man!” …Near the end of the tape, the “gun man” orders someone to put his phone on the bed and adds, “You, too.” ….Someone says, “It’s just my personal phone. Please don’t break it.” ….”Gun Man”: "Hey man, shut your fucking mouth before you get your ass broke." …………Who is the “Gun Man”? Why did he say “gun.”? And why did O.J. and Beardsley carry on their conversation as though he hadn’t said it? If prosecutors can answer these questions using the letter of the law to put them where they will do the most damage, I see how O.J. could spend the rest of his life in prison. –Jasper NOTE (December 17, 2008): The speaker I identified as Beardsley in the highlighted section of my post was actually Bruce Fromong. The "Gun Man" was Michael McClinton. Click on "Contents" and you can see this post in its original context. --Jasper Re: Prejudice and Belief/ Propaganda BlitzFrom: Jasper CommentsSolitairea1, …As Mark Fuhrman would say, the gun is everything. Without the gun, bye-bye. ………. Riccio’s tape recording and statements about what he saw and heard in the hotel room are the only independent sources of information about a gun. O.J. said there were no guns involved. He told his lawyer that there were no guns involved. And if a gun were involved, O.J. gives no indication on the tape of being aware of it on September 14. That was the day after the incident when Greta Van Susteren said on her TV show that she received a message from a man who said he heard about the gun on an open phone line. On September 23, Geraldo ran a transcript of the message that does not conform to what was on Riccio’s tape. According to the unidentified source someone in the room said, “Put the gun down.” In Riccio’s tape the only mention of the gun has someone saying something about cracking someone in the head “with this gun.” ………..Without the Riccio tape we would have only the word of Beardsley, Fromong, and the unidentified person on Beardsley’s open cell phone line to put a gun in the hands of anyone with O.J. That’s where I think we can begin to sort out what happened, who worked with whom and who knew what about the setup (setups?) before Riccio called O.J. to tell him about the men who had his stuff. ………..Before I heard what Riccio said about seeing a gun I doubted that there was one considering the number of men with O.J., the surveillance camera in the hallway and the absence of a reaction by anyone to the artificial gun reference that WAS made. The only reason I can think of to say “gun” in that situation is the reason references like that are put in the dialog of radio plays – to create a picture in the minds of LISTENERS of something that cannot be communicated by sound. A man with a gun in his hand does not have to say “gun” in a threat to hit someone with it. The weapon speaks for itself to anyone who can SEE it. ………..The tape makes it undeniable that O.J. was distracted when the man mentioned the gun and right after the gun reference, you can hear Beardsley [Fromong] telling O.J. something about “Joe Montana” that sounds like he’s saying Montana is on the open phone line http://smartfellowspress.com/_0907/000000bb.htm Riccio’s take on the gun he said he saw was that it made no sense to him for the man to produce it because Beardsley and Fromong were already doing what they were told to do. He said that was the first time he saw a gun and it comes at the point in the tape where you can here the “gun man” say “gun.” Nobody on the tape says anything remotely like “Put the gun down.” ………. So, if you take Riccio’s hidden tape recording out of the confrontation, what do you have left? You have Beardsley, Fromong, the man on the phone AND Riccio saying that one of the men with O.J. and perhaps two of them used a gun. If one of the men with O.J. did pull out a gun and admitted it, you’ve got a very strong case that a gun was used and O.J. knew about it. If one or two other men SAID they saw the gun, O.J. would sound like the liar most people already think he is – and there would be lots of pressure on them to say it whether they saw it or not. If that was the plan, Riccio’s tape foiled it. –Jasper
January DiscussionRe: Faye Resnick in Las Vegas From: Jasper CommentsTheory Observer – A reference to a gun used in a threatening manner was definitely on the Riccio tape .But from everything I could gather when excerpts from the tape became public, nobody was acknowledging it. And I mean NOBODY. Even when that key portion of the tape was played on TMZ and Geraldo, the transcripts accompanying them left out the gun. ……………So, I made my own transcript from listening to the tape repeatedly and put down everything the way I heard it, with question marks after the portions that were distorted by other sounds. McClinton’s reference to the gun he had (at that time I didn’t know enough to match the voices with the names so I called him the "gunman" was unmistakable. http://smartfellowspress.com/_0907/000000bb.htm ……………Now we know that McClinton was directing that “threat” toward Riccio to deceive Beardsley and Fromong. That’s why there was so much confusion early on about the number of “robbers” and the number of “victims.” Now we know that the other distinctly bullying voice on the tape was Walter Alexander’s. …………….The Riccio tape makes it clear that McClinton took Fromong’s cell phone as the group with O.J. was leaving. It also makes it clear that Fromong’s greatest stated concern about the phone was that it might get broken. Why would he care if it got broken if he didn’t expect to get it back? And this was before O.J. told him he would return it. …………… I got the impression that O.J. only wanted Mike Gilbert’s phone number that was stored in Fromong’s cell phone because that’s what O.J. asking for just before the group left. The tape also makes it clear that Fromong AND Beardsley put their cell phones on the bed, and Beardsley’s call to the police with his cell phone makes it clear that his cell phone was not taken. That’s what makes the prosecution claim of O.J. taking Fromong’s cell phone to keep him from calling 911 so silly. O.J. wanted to talk to Mike Gilbert. By all indications, his number was in Fromong’s phone. I would think it was in Beardsley’s phone, too, but to get the number only one phone was necessary. …………. Things got very confusing with Greta announcing that she got a call from a man who was on the phone with one of the victims and heard a reference to a gun. That was not surprising because Beardsley said on the tape that the line on his phone was open. The surprise was when Greta later brought on a female ear witness who was coincidentally on the phone with Fromong throughout the incident and heard the reference to the gun – a different reference than the one that was discernable on the tape. Her name was Christy Lutkemeier, a coincidental friend of Fromong AND Gilbert. ……….. http://smartfellowspress.com/_1007/00000069.htm http://smartfellowspress.com/1007/0000006d.htm http://smartfellowspress.com/_1007/0000006a.htm …………If Galanter ever thought there were no guns involved it is because O.J., didn’t know there were guns involved. O.J. is easily blind-sided but he isn’t stupid. --Jasper
Gabriel Grasso asked Michael "Spencer" McClinton a question that he did not anticipate. The "Gun Man's" subsequent dithering was strikingly similar to Mark Fuhrman response when F. Lee Bailey asked him whether he drew his gun (a 9mm Beretta) on the Rockingham south path. It should have taken McClinton a fraction of a second to answer with an emphatic, "no." if he told the truth about O.J. asking him to draw his gun outside the door. See if you can spot what's wrong with McClinton's answers to the various ways Grasso tried to ask him the question..
Two pimp friends and two hand guns between them, a Beretta and a Ruger Grasso: Now, after this... incident, you guys met up at the Palms. McClinton: Yes Grasso: You drove in a different car than ... than Mr. Simpson, right? McClinton: Yes. Grasso: And you meet at the Palms in the cars. Don't get out of the cars, right? McClinton: I got out the car. Grasso: You were driving. McClinton: Yes. Grasso: Do you recall that the first thing that O.J. asked you was, "Did you guys have guns?" Do you remember that when you first drove up? The first thing he asked you, "Did you guys have guns?" McClinton: He didn't ask me that. Grasso: That never happened. McClinton: He didn't ask me that. Grasso: Did he ask Mr. Alexander that? McClinton: I don't know what he asked Mr. Alexander. He did not ask me that. Grasso: Let me ask you this; Did O.J. say – did words come out of his mouth that you heard, where Mr. Simpson says, "Did you guys have guns?" Do you recall those words being spoken by Mr. Simpson as the first thing he said to you when you guys met up at the bar? McClinton: Outside or inside? Grasso: When you first met up. When the cars first pulled up. And wasn't there... McClinton: I didn't hear him say nothing about that. Grasso: Okay. McClinton: Not to me. Grasso: Well, did you hear him say that to anybody? Was there a situation were a gun -- not a gun, a cell phone was transferred from one car to another. Do you remember that? McClinton: I would imagine because all that stuff was packed up in the room and the cell phones' supposed to be in one of those bags, yeah. Grasso: Now, did you ever hear O.J. say that night, like ask you a question, like he wanted to know. Not in any other way but simply that he is asking you a question with a question mark at the end. "Did you guys have guns?" Do you ever recall O.J. asking you that that night? McClinton: Ummm (7-second pause). I can't recall. – Jasper |
the
jury that the Las Vegas deputy prosecutor
addressed in the opening remarks about
O.J. trying to steal valuable property that legally belonged
to the Goldmans. That's the jury that O.J. lawyer Yale Galanter
was addressing in his opening remarks as
he walked behind O.J in dramatic style and said, "The only
person on the planet that cares about this property is (puts
his hands on O.J.'s shoulders) this man, right here.
And you can think whatever you want about his past – and
you've all agreed as jurors to ignore it – You can have
whatever opinions you want about his life and you've all
agreed to ignore it. But what you're going to see in this
courtroom is not about hiding anything from anybody. This is
a case about recovering photographs, personal mementos.....
"
Riccio
walked into his main room from the bathroom when O.J. was
cursing at Bruce Fromong and Alfred Beardsley about
stealing his stuff and Fromong was telling him that
"Mike did it."
ton's
preliminary hearing testimony about what happened in
room 1203 clings tightly to words that could be
clearly discerned on Riccio's room recording that
Las Vegas Metro Police 